*MACE-WebISO Conference Call*
December 17, 2002

*Participants*

Nathan Dors -- Washington(chair)
Jim Farmer -- JA-SIG
Scott Fullerton -- Wisconsin
Robert Knight -- Princeton
Bob Morgan -- Washington
Steve Willey -- Washington
Lisa Hogeboom -- Internet2

*Action Items*

1) Nathan to propose closing date of Jan 7th for WebISO questionnaire 
responses.

2) Scott/Nathan to invite OKI reps to Jan 21st conference call.

3) Nathan to look into possible dates/locations for a winter/spring
WebISO/WebSSO meeting.

*Discussion*

WebISO Target-side Issues

	Bob says Derek Atkins' write-up of the target-side design and
services interface for Shibboleth could "pop out" in a day or two. It may
not be perfectly current with the code, but it should be a good place to
start a discussion. The WebISO WAA questionnaire remains to be done by
Shibboleth; Bob still holds that action item.
	Scott reports that he's put some questions to the OKI folks about
their Factory class, but they're currently reevaluating how some of their
interfaces work. It was suggested that we invite them to join a future
call. (More on that below.)
	The WebISO Web Application Agent questionnaire has yielded
responses from several sites. To allow others (like Shibboleth) who still
might like to contribute a response, the group proposes a closing date of
January 7th. Nathan will propose such on the list. Entries submitted by
the closing date will be included in the final report.

WebISO documents & Internet2 Doc Library

	Internet2 is creating a "public-facing" library for project and
working group documents -- the high-quality stuff, not draft documents.
Inclusion will be preceded by a simple review process: first within the
working group itself, via some sort of "last call" for comments; perhaps
some outreach too, to other communities of shared interest; and then up a
level within Internet2 to the working group's area director or sponsoring
committee (MACE, in the WebISO instance) for final approval.
	Among the existing WebISO documents, the following are likely 
candidates for the doc library:
	    o  "WebISO Service Model & Component Capabilities" 
	    o  "Delegated Trust of Privileges in an N-Tier Environment"
	    o  Report/Summary from WebISO WAA questionnaire responses
	Nathan will shepherd these through the process, but it'll take a
commitment on the part of both authors and readers to see that they reach
a final form ready for the doc library.

WebISO Call Schedule

	The group decided to move the next WebISO call to January 7, 2003, 
and start the twice-monthly schedule from there. 
	The agenda for Jan 7th will focus again on interfaces. With hope
we'll have material from Larry Greenfield and/or Derek Atkins to discuss,
plus any final WebISO questionnaire responses, assuming that's the agreed 
upon deadline.
	For Jan 21st, the group proposed to invite reps from OKI to
discuss authentication (and perhaps authorization) interfaces. Scott and
Nathan took an action item to schedule this with them. It's hoped that
late January is sufficient lead time to make this happen.

Winter/Spring WebISO Conference?

	Bob mentioned that Mark Wilcox (WebCT) attended ApacheCon where
there was a small Web single sign-on (WebSSO) birds-of-feather session.
Follow-on activity is uncertain, but it sounded like some parties had 
real, immediate interest in the area. 
	Which brought the discussion back to the idea, proposed some time
ago, of having a WebISO/WebSSO conference to see what can happen when
people working semi-independently on the same problem get together for a
couple of days to see how they might work more inter-dependently to mutual
benefit. What's needed, of course, is a good date for this thing, either
up close to a meeting or conference already likely to draw these people
anyway, or not up close to anything interesting and therefore open for
scheduling. Which is the obvious trick to scheduling meetings nowadays.
	"Are you [Bob] thinking about a winter time frame?" asked Scott.
	"I'm thinking about a time frame...," said Bob, wryly, emphasizing
the indefinite, indeterminate 'a'. "Something earlier than next summer."