Signet/Grouper Working Group and Early Adopter Meeting
Fall 2006 Internet2 Member Meeting, Chicago, IL
Monday, December 04, 2006

*Attendees*
Tom Barton, U. Chicago (chair, Grouper)
Lynn McRae, Stanford U. (chair, Signet)
Dave Donnelly, Stanford U.
Albert Wu, UCLA
Warren Leung, UCLA
Von Welch, NCSA
Mike Grady, UIUC
Tom Scavo, NCSA
Brendan Bellina, USC
Will Norris, USC
Stig Venaas, UNINETT
Brian Gilmore, U. Edinburgh
John Maddock, U. Edinburgh
Carrie Regenstein, Carnegie Mellon U.
Ann West, EDUCAUSE/Internet2
Jessica Bibbee, Internet2 (scribe)

*Action Items*
[AI] {Lynn and Dave} will schedule a call for further discussion of Hibernate with {Albert, Tom B., Blair Christensen, and Michael Douglass (RPI; Bedework).

*Agenda*
- Possible synching of user interfaces
- Future of projects
- Shared technologies – web services, Subject API, lifecycle & rules, UI toolkit, tiles, Nexus integration technologies, EDDY,
- administrative interfaces
o history, recording
o separate naming stem management from group management
- Hibernate

*Hibernate*
- Dislikes
o Documentation,
o Lack of experience
o Can be memory intensive
o Problems with compound keys
o Ambiguous error statements
- Likes
o Abstracts between application and database technology
o Should help with changes
- Alternatives
o ?
- Need/want
o ?

[AI] {Lynn and Dave} will schedule a call for further discussion of Hibernate with {Albert, Tom B., Blair Christensen, and Michael Douglas (RPI; Bedework).

*Synching of UIs*
- “Merging”?
o 2 into 1
o Not desirable as only solution
- Separate UIs
o …
- Interoperable
o Needs to be able to send message to tell Grouper how to initialize
o JSR 168 ?
o Jump into context
o Filter by context
o Application-specific skin
- Examples
o Moodle (PHP)

*Integration*
- Web services?
- Unicon may have use cases
- Request for your requirements and use cases
- Hooks
o Springs framework?
o Jabber?
- Workflow
- Common logging desired
- Provisioning triggers
- Points of contact for hooks
- …Autograph & SHARPE (Neil Witheridge, Australia)

The next Grouper Working Group call is scheduled for Wednesday, December 13, at 12pm EST.

The next Signet Working Group call is scheduled for Friday, December 22, at 11am EST.