**MACE Call 7-December-2009**

**Attending**

RL "Bob" Morgan, U. Washington (chair)

Leif Johansson, SUNET/NORDUnet

Ken Klingenstein, Internet2

Scott Cantor, The Ohio State U.

Michael Gettes, MIT

Mark Poepping, CMU

Steven Carmody, Brown

Paul Hill, MIT

Tom Barton, U. Chicago

Jim Jokl, U. Virginia

David Wasley, independent

Nate Klingenstein, Internet2

Renee Shuey, Penn State

Ann West, Internet2

Jens Haeusser, U. British Columbia

Neal McBurnett, Internet2

Steve Olshansky, Internet2 (scribe)

*Carryover Action Items*

[AI] (Leif) will discuss the IDTrust meeting on the PKNG list, seeking feedback.

[AI] (Jens) will speak to an Eduroam rep about communicating with Educause.

[AI] (Ken) will draft and circulate a letter to Rice leadership, requesting input to roadmaps and use cases, and to ensure our projects with Kuali projects are aligned with their high-level strategic direction.

[AI] (Nate) will distribute information to the list about upcoming tactical issues facing MACE

[AI] (All) send Bamboo IAM comments to Tom ASAP for coordination.

[AI] (All) interested in participating in the international collaboration activity contact RL "Bob."

[AI] (RL "Bob") will contact a representative of Kuali Rice about coordinating a call.

[AI] (Ken and Mark) will distribute some information on trust anchors in the context of dynamic network configuration in GENI testbed, as well as for general access control.

[AI] (Ken) will circulate some meeting notes from the last TERENA/ REFEDS meetings.

**Discussion**

- the MACE brand and mission, and place in the ecosystem

There was a wide-ranging discussion of this topic, beginning with the history of MACE, and including an environmental scan (e.g. Jasig and Kuali) for context.

The suggestion was made to continue this discussion on the next call, and further to consider extending future calls to 90 minutes to ensure sufficient time for discussion.

*Upcoming Meetings*

https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/MACECalendar/MACE+Calendar

- CSG

Jan. 13-15, 2010, San Diego, CA

http://dev.stonesoup.org/meetings/1001/index.html

Identity Assurance and Collaborative Platforms will be on the agenda.

- IDTrust

April 13-15, 2010, Gaithersburg, MD

http://middleware.internet2.edu/idtrust/2010/

- EMC2/REfeds/Mobility

Feb 16-17, 2010, Vienna, Austria

http://www.terena.org/activities/refeds/

http://www.terena.org/activities/tf-emc2/

http://www.terena.org/activities/tf-mobility/

- NIH ID Day

December 10, 2009, Washington, DC

NIH is deeply engaged in many aspects of federated identity, driving the agenda for this meeting.

- IETF

March 21-26, 2010, Anaheim, CA

http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html

- Spring I2MM

Apr 26-28, 2010, Arlington, VA

http://events.internet2.edu/2010/spring-mm/

- June CAMPs

June 21-25, 2010, Location TBD (probably SouthEast US)

The topic for Base CAMP would be federation, and for Advanced CAMP would be an open identity summit.

**Discussion**

- Eduroam

There are signs of renewed energy around Eduroam in the US, which led to a recent meeting attended by representatives from ~30 campuses. More to come on this as available. The question arose as to how this could or should align with Educause, InCommon, and/or Interneyt2. The answer is not clear...

[AI] (Jens) will speak to an Eduroam rep about communicating with Educause.

- The MACE brand and mission, and place in the ecosystem

MACE primarily serves 2 roles: as an international gathering forum for identity management architects, and as an advisory mechanism for the Internet2 middleware work.

One ambiguity is the term "advisory" and the second is how MACE relates to AMSAC in advising Internet2. The forthcoming InCommon executive director will have the middleware work in his/her portfolio, and this is a factor to be considered as well.

There was a proposal to focus next MACE call 7-December on this topic alone, to ensure adequate time for discussion. It was suggested that future discussion about this involve other leaders of relevant higher-ed groups.