**MACE Call 25-October-2010**
**Attending**
RL "Bob" Morgan, U. Washington (chair)
Ken Klingenstein, Internet2
Rodney McDuff, U. Queensland
Renee Shuey, Penn State U.
Paul Hill, independent
Ann West, Internet2
Jim Jokl, U. Virginia
Keith Hazelton, U. Wisc. - Madison
Steven Carmody, Brown U.
Scott Cantor, The Ohio State U.
Renee Frost, Internet2
Tom Barton, U. Chicago
Neal McBurnett, Internet2
David Wasley, independent
Mark Poepping, CMU
Steve Olshansky, Internet2 (scribe)
NEXT CALL: 8-November-2010
*New Action Items**
[AI] (Ken) will invite Mike Conlin, the VIVO PI, to the next MACE call.
*Carryover Action Items*
[AI] (Keith) will maintain an issues list to inform a potential new charter for MACE-DirNG, syncing it with the FedApps charter.
[AI] (RLBob, Scott, and SteveO) will proceed with the process of formalizing the FedApps working group, including setting up a list/wiki/website, and advertise it in the appropriate venues.
[AI] (Ken) will draft a one-pager about what MACE does and what questions it has, for review by MACE, as a discussion guide with Internet2 leadership.
[AI] (Ken and ReneeF) will look at the Fall I2MM schedule to see if there is an opportunity for a F2F meeting between MACE and Internet2 leadership.
[AI] (All) if interested in supporting MoonShot activities, send mail to Ken and subscribe to appropriate lists TBD. There may be some funding available to support travel, e.g. to IETF meetings...
[AI] (Ken) will distribute a draft requirements framework for VO support engagement
[AI] (David) will contact GSA for an update on the approval process for InCommon Silver.
[AI] (ReneeS) will revisit the list of potential new MACE members on the list.
[AI] (All) Send input to Ken about how the InCommon cert service ought to be packaged - i.e. amendment to existing InCommon contract, or other.
[AI] (Ken) will revise the mission statement based upon feedback received on the call.
[AI] (Ken) will send out info on DHS secure online transactions
[AI] (Ken) will follow up on a MACE/AMSAC call.
[AI] (Ken) will follow up with Kuali/Rice about I2MI collaboration.
[AI] (Ken) will draft a catalyst doc, covering the key items to be addressed in advising VOs how to use our infrastructure.
[AI] (Leif) will contact Ken/Steven/Tom about potential overlaps between the SDCI proposal and projects in the EU.
[AI] (Leif) will discuss the IDTrust meeting on the PKNG list, seeking feedback.
[AI] (Jens) will speak to an Eduroam rep about communicating with Educause.
[AI] (Ken) will draft and circulate a letter to Rice leadership, requesting input to roadmaps and use cases, and to ensure our projects with Kuali projects are aligned with their high-level strategic direction.
[AI] (Nate) will distribute information to the list about upcoming tactical issues facing MACE
[AI] (All) send Bamboo IAM comments to Tom ASAP for coordination.
[AI] (All) interested in participating in the international collaboration activity contact RL "Bob."
[AI] (RL "Bob") will contact a representative of Kuali Rice about coordinating a call.
[AI] (Ken and Mark) will distribute some information on trust anchors in the context of dynamic network configuration in GENI testbed, as well as for general access control.
[AI] (Ken) will circulate some meeting notes from the last TERENA/ REFEDS meetings.
**Upcoming Meetings**
https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/MACECalendar/MACE+Calendar
- REFEDs/I2FMM, October 31 - November 4, 2010, Atlanta, GA
http://events.internet2.edu/2010/fall-mm/
The REFEDs meeting, on the Sunday before the I2MM, will be the first held outside of the EU.
- Federated CI Workshop, November 4-5, 2010, Arlington VA
(After the Fall Internet2 Member Meeting)
This will be focused on federated identity strategies among the science community.
The MACE/Salsa dinner will be Tuesday evening at 6:30, as in the past. Valter Nordh from SWAMID will be dinner theater, talking about Edugain++.
- InCommon DayCAMP, November 4, 2010, Arlington VA
(After the Fall Internet2 Member Meeting)
For campuses new to federation...
- CAMP/ACAMP 2011
There is a proposal to co-locate ACAMP 2011, as a follow-on to past ACAMPs, with the Jasig annual meeting, perhaps in Denver in May. More to come on this as it develops.
The question arose as to the overlap between CAMP and ACAMP attendees, and it seems that there is relatively little overlap both in attendees and expectations.
There is consideration being given to model the next CAMP after the last InCommon CAMP. There was also discussion as to whether schools that might be the target market for InCommon CAMP are the sort which would be inclined to sent staff to national meetings.
- IETF 79 - Beijing, China
November 7-12, 2010
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/
- IIW, Mountain View, CA
November 2-4, 2010
http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/iiwxi-11-in-mountain-view/
EuroCAMP, Vienna
Nov 23-24, 2010
http://www.terena.org/activities/eurocamp/nov10/
Collaboration platforms will be the theme.
**Discussion**
2. sorting out attribute activities redux - persistent identifiers...
[AI] (Keith) will have some potential work activities to discuss at the MACE-Dir session Monday morning at the I2MM, and will float these to the MACE and MACE-Dir mailing lists in advance.
The subject of eduPerson attributes actually being used in the wild, v. new attributes used to meet specific needs of an organization (e.g. non-reassigned identifiers), and there is not a lot of information about that short of anecdotal.
Some grid communities are using non-reassigned identifier attributes developed to meet their specific needs.
What of EPTID? Should this be promoted more in the R&E community? How can InCommon make it easier to deploy, given its attractive properties? InCommon TAC needs to produce the appropriate recommendations and documentation to support this. Those needing non-reassigned identifiers ought to be encouraged to use EPTID.
How do we align attributes among the R&E community globally, to the extent that makes sense?
NIH/GSA/FICAM has created a tiger team focused on attributes for their applications.
3. How do we do the provisioning survey?
Q: Is this provisioning identities (i.e. creating user accounts), or services, or both?
A: This was in the context of SSH, thus provisioning of services and appropriate access...
How broad a net should be cast in this survey? Sticking to federated use cases would seem appropriate.
Next generation IdM provisioning issues were raised as a different albeit parallel path, e.g. systems that surround a person registry which need to associate information to users, but don't need to store info in the person registry (e.g. LoA info; or faculty roles and relationships to the university).
The old reference model (see http://www.internet2.edu/pubs/signet-infosheet.pdf) can be somewhat intimidating due to its complexity. Perhaps it ought to be revisited?
ORCID (orcid.org) and VIVO (vivoweb.org) also arose as activities that might merit looping into our thinking, or at least helping to publicize to the R&E community...
[AI] (Ken) will invite Mike Conlin, the VIVO PI, to the next MACE call.
4. Updates - Silver refine, PEER, MDX, Shib Consortium, etc.
- The InCommon assurance materials are being refined to better align with the ICAM work.
- PEER (Public Endpoint Entities Registry, formerly known as "BEER") now has a wiki space: https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/PEER/Home
External funding is being sought for the development work. It will likely not be ready to accept entries for several months...
- The Shib Consortium process is continuing, with a proposed start date of 1-Jan-2011.
5. Tending seed corn - juniors in-training - letters to management, call access, ITANA, etc...
6. The recent open source merger and its implications.
It was noted that this is an intent to explore a merger between Sakai and Jasig, but nothing is final just yet...
The Bamboo project is interested in exploring ways to enhance its collaboration infrastructure. It is not clear yet how this will develop.