*MACE Conference Call*
December 13, 2004

*Attendees*

Keith Hazelton (acting chair) - Wisconsin
Ken Klingenstein - Colorado/Internet2
Neal McBurnett - Internet2
Ton Verschuren - SURFnet
Michael Gettes - Duke
Lynn McRae - Stanford
Renee Frost - Michigan/Internet2
Steve Carmody - Brown
Paul Hill - MIT
Tom Barton - Chicago
David Wasley - UCOP
Jim Jokl - Virginia
Mark Poepping - CMU
Scott Cantor - OSU
Ben Chinowsky (scribe) - Internet2

*Discussion*

The first-ever Australian CAMP went well; materials are archived at http://www.aarnet.edu.au/events/middle/2004/. Ken noted that the mix of people (CIOs, campus infrastructure people, apps architects, middleware architects) was similar to that at the US CAMPs, but there was even greater success in creating fruitful communication among them. There are good prospects for funding in Australia in the near future, under the banner of "e-research". Where NSF has tended to focused on grids, its Australian counterpart has been more interested in areas like learning management systems and libraries.

The Australian CAMP produced further contacts with non-US people who have contributions to make to the work of MACE. Ken observed that there is an increasingly pressing need for MACE to consider just how global it wants to be, given both practical issues (e.g., timezones) and the risks of overstepping our mandate. While there was general agreement that a global MACE-like organization is needed, opinion was divided on whether MACE itself should be that organization. On the one hand, there are the issues Ken pointed to, plus the already-overcommitted situation of many MACErs; on the other, there is the fact that MACE has already extended beyond the US and is well-placed to expand further. Keith argued that it would be hard for a new organization to duplicate MACE's success in creating productive working groups; Michael argued that the new organization would be primarily concerned with coordinating independently-arising activities, not creating new ones. Steve observed that MACE is in the same situation as Shibboleth was a year ago: spending a growing amount of time dealing with apps people who want help making use of its products. This is natural and good, but still leaves us with the need to find more help. Ken suggested the group continue the globo-MACE discussion on the next MACE call.

One international issue on which MACE's input is needed is how to do AAI for lambda allocation. DANTE, GEANT, CANARIE, and Internet2 are gathering in Rome in January to discuss this. There was general agreement that MACE should push for the extension of the federated security model into this new realm. Ken and Steve noted that many of the attendees at this meeting are likely to be focused on individual use cases; as at the start of the Shibboleth project, MACE's role will be to sell the federated security model by calling attention to the variety of use cases that need to be accommodated.

Ken called the group's attention to a recent e-IRG paper focusing on AAI; see http://www.e-irg.org/whitepapers/Den-Haag-v2.0-pre-accepted.pdf.

Upcoming meetings:
- The HEPKI policy authority council is meeting for the first time later this week; David and Michael are among its members.
- CAMP Med will be February 9-11 in Tempe; see http://www.educause.edu/camp051. Keith noted that we particularly want to get medical-school directors to attend. [AI] All will use any contacts they have with medical-school directors to recruit them for CAMP Med.
- The next TF-EMC2 meeting will be February 16 (one day only), probably in Berlin.
- The 4th Annual PKI R&D Workshop is April 19-21; see http://middleware.internet2.edu/pki05/. The program committee is reviewing submitted papers and planning panel discussions. [AI] All will send Neal their suggestions for panels at PKI05.

Finally, there was a short discussion of topics for future MACE dinners. Michael suggested hosting speakers from Croquet (http://www.opencroquet.org) and Sun's work on identity management (http://wwws.sun.com/software/index.jsp?cat=Identity%20Management&tab=3 -- under Identity Management, see Access Manager and Identity Manager.) [AI] Michael and Ken will circulate a starter list of possible MACE dinner topics.

*Action Items*

[AI] All will use any contacts they have with medical-school directors to recruit them for CAMP Med.
[AI] All will send Neal their suggestions for panels at PKI05.
[AI] Michael and Ken will circulate a starter list of possible MACE dinner topics.