**MACE Call 10-May-2010**

**Attending**

Renee Shuey, Penn State U. (stand-in chair)

RL "Bob" Morgan, U. Washington (chair)

Ken Klingenstein, Internet2

Jim Jokl, U. Virginia

Tom Barton, U. Chicago

Paul Hill, MIT

Michael Gettes, MIT

Scott Cantor, The Ohio State U.

Mark Poepping, CMU

Keith Hazelton, U. Wisconsin - Madison

Ann West, Internet2

Steven Carmody, Brown U.

Scotty Logan, Stanford U.

Renee Frost, Internet2

Steve Olshansky, Internet2 (scribe)

*Carryover Action Items*

[AI] (All) Send input to Ken about how the InCommon cert service ought to be packaged - i.e. amendment to existing InCommon contract, or other.

[AI] (Ken) will revise the mission statement based upon feedback received on the call.

[AI] (Ken) will send out info on DHS secure online transactions

[AI] (Ken) will follow up on a MACE/AMSAC call.

[AI] (Ken) will follow up with Kuali/Rice about I2MI collaboration.

[AI] (Ken) will draft a catalyst doc, covering the key items to be addressed in advising VOs how to use our infrastructure.

[AI] (Leif) will contact Ken/Steven/Tom about potential overlaps between the SDCI proposal and projects in the EU.

[AI] (Leif) will discuss the IDTrust meeting on the PKNG list, seeking feedback.

[AI] (Jens) will speak to an Eduroam rep about communicating with Educause.

[AI] (Ken) will draft and circulate a letter to Rice leadership, requesting input to roadmaps and use cases, and to ensure our projects with Kuali projects are aligned with their high-level strategic direction.

[AI] (Nate) will distribute information to the list about upcoming tactical issues facing MACE

[AI] (All) send Bamboo IAM comments to Tom ASAP for coordination.

[AI] (All) interested in participating in the international collaboration activity contact RL "Bob."

[AI] (RL "Bob") will contact a representative of Kuali Rice about coordinating a call.

[AI] (Ken and Mark) will distribute some information on trust anchors in the context of dynamic network configuration in GENI testbed, as well as for general access control.

[AI] (Ken) will circulate some meeting notes from the last TERENA/ REFEDS meetings.

**Discussion**

- Euro survey on semantics for eduPersonAffiliation

Mikael Linden (csc.fi) has stated that there are problems with the current definition of eduPersonAffiliation as it relates to some current use cases. See for reference the recent threads on the MACE-Dir and REFEDS lists.

Did Edugain discussions perhaps spark this? While there are several Edugain lists, if some MACE folks want to join the Edugain policy list to pursue this you would be welcome... Keith and Michael volunteered.

The EU folks seem to be interested in a global discussion on this, and the MACE-Dir list has been invited to participate and vote. REFEDS is the likely forum for this conversation, at its core...

- Attribute-mongering

There have been recent discussions with Andy Dale of OCLC, relating to their role in the community in this respect.

Given their ubiquity among campuses, facilitating cataloging and providing numerous other services.

They are looking at the viability of running outsourced IdPs for libraries.

In June they plan to pilot their new authZ infrastructure. They want to delegate to the library with librarians have which privileges wrt to their services, utilizing their own access management system and UIs.

They want the campuses to use Shib to make assertions about users (and in some way about their privs) -- how would these be conveyed in a SAML assertion? Perhaps just with the assertion of a role and then with OCLC doing a role-to-permission mapping...

Q: how much of their concern is international?

A: they don't have much of a customer base outside the US, but perhaps in the longer term...

- What is the role and goal of the Internet2 Middleware Program?

It was noted that there were more MW session proposals for the recent I2MM than for any other area, more than the available space, and thus many sessions had to be combined. There seemed to be more new faces and the rooms were consistently packed. A discussion of this topic ensued...

- Potential topics for a future special topics call:

-- EduroamUS - effort instantiate a top-level node (possibly 7-June?)

invite Klaas and Philippe, EU R&E reps?

-- Google and Groups (possibly 7-June?)

discussions under way with InCommon. How can/should MACE participate?

-- Sun/Oracle - the future of Sun IdM products, licensing, etc.