*MACE Conference Call*
November 1, 2004

*Attendees*

Bob Morgan (chair) - Washington
Michael Gettes - Duke
Jim Jokl - Virginia
Scott Cantor - OSU
Renee Frost - Michigan/Internet2
Tom Barton - Chicago
David Wasley - UCOP
Steve Carmody - Brown
Brian Gilmore - Edinburgh
Keith Hazelton - Wisconsin
Mark Poepping - CMU
Ton Verschuren - SURFnet
Ken Klingenstein - Colorado/Internet2
Ben Chinowsky (scribe) - Internet2

*Discussion*

The group reviewed plans for upcoming meetings:
- Ken is at TF-EMC2 this week.
- Bob will be at IETF next week.
- Planning for the Tempe CAMP is ongoing.
- An agenda is in the works for the Australian CAMP. There is interest in including a Shibboleth install-fest, but it's not yet clear whether this will materialize. Ken will be attending a related meeting on December 6 in Canberra.
- A planning meeting for the European CAMP is scheduled for later this week.
- Internet2 middleware has been invited to send representatives to the December 1-3 Open Source Summit (http://www.opensourcesummit.org/). The focus will be more on policy than technology, but Bob still wants to have at least one MACEr there; [AI] Anyone who can represent MACE at the Open Source Summit will contact Bob.

The group reviewed recent discussions of who should be permitted to join InQueue. There has been considerable interest from corporations that have no apparent links to higher education; given that InCommon is now in production, InQueue is being opened up to allow them to join. InCommon will soon begin to charge its members for participation, as will InQueue a few months later. [AI] Renee will send the Shibboleth team a draft of the letter outlining the InCommon/InQueue costs of participation. Brian and Ton noted that pilot federations for Shibboleth deployers in the UK and the Netherlands are expected to be operational within a few months.

Ken noted some highlights from a Liberty Alliance meeting he attended recently. Liberty has achieved its initial goals and is in the process of deciding what to do next. There was a lot of discussion about privacy and the inability of corporations to freely move information across international borders. The next meeting is in late January; Liberty wants MACE to be involved.

Ken will be talking to Peter Gietz about schema registry concepts at the TF-EMC2 meeting. Keith will be reading up on this issue and asked the group for its thoughts -- do we really need it, or is Google sufficent? [AI] Bob will send out some pointers that bear on the schema registry issue.

Finally, the group continued its email discussion of the need for how-to documentation on integrating the various metadirectory and provisioning packages being developed by NMI, MACE, and the campuses. As Steve noted on the list, this would involve considerable work on interoperability testing, and "possibly creating an integrated download package" as well. Steve noted that his interest in this is "driven by fear that by next summer the sites that want to install Shibboleth won't have any of the required infrastructure." There was general agreement that something needs to be done in this area, particularly to enable deployments at smaller schools. A workshop series on integration was suggested as a more lightweight alternative; Ken noted that the funding picture looks brighter for workshops -- especially workshops with a strong outreach component -- than for the work required for the documentation approach. [AI] Ken will draft an integration workshop grant proposal; Keith and Steve will help. Tom stressed the need to make sure that any such effort not mislead deployers into thinking that the technical issues are the only hard part: organizational issues are also a large part of successful metadirectory and provisioning deployments.

*Action Items*

[AI] Anyone who can represent MACE at the Open Source Summit will contact Bob.
[AI] Renee will send the Shibboleth team a draft of the letter outlining the InCommon/InQueue costs of participation.
[AI] Bob will send out some pointers that bear on the schema registry issue.
[AI] Ken will draft an integration workshop grant proposal; Keith and Steve will help.